The Problems Obama inherited.

Postby Jrock » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:54 am

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Re: The Problems Obama inherited.

Postby MFS » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:22 pm

Did not know TIME is now writing Non- fiction ? :wink:
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Re: The Problems Obama inherited.

Postby WTFO » Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:23 pm

Jrock,

You post an article from 2008 in a lame attempt to blame the current situation completely on Bush? That is pathetic, but completely characteristic of how liberal elites are so full of crap that they can't take responsibility for any of the mistakes they have helped create.

Here's some facts:

-Both parties share responsibility for growing govt too big and increasing spending on things the govt shouldn't be involved in.
-Dems and community organizers (like Obama and ACORN) are responsible for pushing banks to issue home loans to people who can't afford to pay them back.
-Tax cuts do not create debt, PERIOD. It is not the govt's money, it belongs to those who earn it.
--The rich still payed over 40% of all tax revenue under the Bush tax cuts.
--~50% of Americans pay zero income taxes
-The wars in Afghan and Iraq were justified and legal unlike Obama's illegal war in Libya (War Powers Act)
-US debt grew at a rate of $607 billion a year under Bush, Obama's rate of debt growth is about $1.5 trillion a year.
-Bush expanded the federal budget by $700 billion through 2008. President Obama added another $1 trillion.
-Bush began a string of expensive finan­cial bailouts. President Obama accelerated that course.
-Bush increased federal education spending 58 percent faster than inflation. Presi­dent Obama doubled it.
-Bush became the first President to spend 3% of GDP on federal antipoverty programs. President Obama has in­creased this spending by 20%.
-The unemployment numbers under Obama have stayed above 9% even though he promised they wouldn't go over 8% if he got his "stimulus" package in 2009. Well, the Dems gave it to him and here we are.
--However, real unemployment is over 20%, this number includes those who have given up looking for work and those who are "underemployed"
-Bush had to rebuild a military and intelligence system that was destroyed by underfunding of Clinton (which left us more vulnerable to attack by terrorists), Obama is full-throttle with the destruction of the military in the middle of 3 wars, by cutting our contractor support, funding for full time Guard/Reserves, reducing the numbers of new recruits, freezing hiring of new govt civilians, and reducing the numbers of existing officers/enlisted on active duty. Sleep well America, the president is decimating the people who protect your freedom.
-Obama promised no lobbyist influence, however that was a blatant lie when you look at who he has appointed and his union owners
-Obama has attacked state's rights
-Obama's DOJ has shown a complete disregard for enforcing the law if it isn't in their ideological interest (black panthers, immigration)
-Obama has destroyed relations with allies (Britian, Israel, etc)
-Obama has punished states that didn't support him in his election through govt programs (Texas not getting help for fires when Obama sends $ and equipment to Mexico for their smaller fires)
-Obama has attacked the Constitutional right to freedom of press by using his position and his thugs to attack and/or threaten Fox News or anyone who dares ask a challenging question.
-Obama disregarded regulations on Presidential fundraising so he could buy the 2008 election with lies and slander
-Obama (through surrogates) has created an "enemies list" that is used by liberal haters to brutally attack anyone who disagrees with his socialist policies
-Obama has set race relations back years by his and his supporters playing of the "race card" when not justified.
-Obama has shredded the Constitutional separation of powers in the govt by his use of Executive orders and his agencies to enforce mindless progressive programs when the Supreme Court strikes down unconstitutional laws or the Congress rejects a program he wants.

Keep pointing the finger backwards, Jrock. Americans know that it is a lie and a distraction from the failures of Obama and liberal socialist agendas. 2010 started us the path to sanity in govt and 2012 will put us back on the right path.

Keep living in your Kool-aid induced bubble, conservatives are taking back the country with facts, logic and sanity.

Nov 2012 can't get here fast enough.
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Re: The Problems Obama inherited.

Postby Jrock » Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:20 am

First off the Facts from the article would still stand if McCain would have got elected. So typical to divert attention from the fact that Bush and Reaganomics led us to where we are today.
Your right wing talking points are baseless. I have nor the time nor inclination to counter all of them but I'll got after a few that stuck out to me.

-ACORN did not create the housing bubble. ACORN nor the government force companies like country wide to dole out sub-prime loans
to people who could've afforded them up until their interest rates spiked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO9FugXRFuc
oh wait you only believe fox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXhZ3iSu ... re=related
Seriously did you get that stuff from the pathological liar Newt Gingrich?

-Tax cuts without budget cuts to create debt. You suck at math. Here's a quote from Cheney "If Reagan taught us anything it's that deficits don't matter." Bush was left with a surplus.
-Obama's Auto bail out is a success. He saved our auto industry. We have recovered mosyt of the money.
-Defense, there you go with Clinton again. We've been over this before.
Here is the document warning Bush about the threat of Al Qaida and what to do about it.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSA ... 20memo.pdf
What did he do? Went on vacation.
Also here is an the document of the imminent attack using planes. NOT SO MUCH AS A f***ing WARNING TO THE NATION!!!
HE WAS HANDED IT WHILE PLAYING GOLF!!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... A_Memo.JPG
http://articles.cnn.com/2004-04-10/poli ... LLPOLITICS
-Obama got rid of no bid contracts not contractors.
-Israel? Here's Bush on Israel. Is border scheme was even worse...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W73v4p6 ... 9%EF%BB%BF
Britain loves Obama are you kidding me? Margaret Thatcher totally dissed Palin BTW.
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Re: The Problems Obama inherited.

Postby Jrock » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:33 am

Damn I needed to edit that!!!
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Re: The Problems Obama inherited.

Postby Hicktown » Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:02 pm

WTFO, I give you, the slow clap. My hats off to you. Elegantly put.
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Re: The Problems Obama inherited.

Postby Jrock » Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:22 am

Oh and one more thing! Obama got Osama! Something Bush failed to do. :owned:
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Re: The Problems Obama inherited.

Postby WTFO » Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:52 pm

1st, thank you Hicktown.

Now, onto the pathological Media Matters zombie. The reason you are afraid to discuss my positions is because you have no facts to back up your pathetic assertions other than what you read on your master's talking points page (BTW, Media Matters is having their tax exempt status examined for their violations of IRS rules). For the ones you did attempt to counter, they are thin and easily disproven. So, here we go again proving your lies and slander false using facts, evidence and logic: (your lies will be in italics, and I'll follow with the proof in regular type)

ACORN did not create the housing bubble. ACORN nor the government force companies like country wide to dole out sub-prime loans
to people who could've afforded them up until their interest rates spiked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO9FugXRFuc
oh wait you only believe fox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXhZ3iSu ... re=related

The videos you use do not disprove ACORN's involvement, they merely attempt to divert attention to one of the players in this corrupt game. In this case, Countrywide. Funny, that's the same company that Senator Dodd (D) was involved with. The youtube videos don't mention Fannie and Freddie which were propped up by Barney Frank (D). This diversionary tactic is a favorite of liberals. They don't provide any proof against what I said, they just try to get people to look somewhere else. Here's the facts about ACORN's involvement:
http://www.examiner.com/scotus-in-washi ... liar-loans
-the sources for this article include: The liberal Village Voice, the Washington Examiner, The Wall Street Journal but not FoxNews.
Here's some highlights from the article since I know you won't follow the link and read it, because you can't handle anything that would prove you wrong:
"Federal affordable-housing mandates were a major factor in the mortgage crisis, fueling the housing bubble and the subsequent collapse of the housing and financial markets, which helped bring down the economy...
How did ACORN cause the “housing bubble” and “financial collapse”? ACORN lobbyists drafted “affordable-housing” mandates to pressure the mortgage giants to buy up more risky loans and mortgages from low-income communities, loans that banks in turn were pressured to make by the Community Reinvestment Act...
ACORN also helped spawn the mortgage crisis by promoting “liar loans.” It has a long history of financial fraud, vote fraud, tax evasion, waste, and mismanagement...
ACORN is a left-wing group that launched Obama’s career as a community organizer. Obama has long-standing ties to ACORN, and an ACORN affiliate received received $800,000 from Obama’s campaign...
the Obama administration is busy promoting the junky, risky mortgages that fueled the housing bubble, showing that it has learned nothing from history...
The mortgage crisis was also caused by the reckless government-sponsored mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and by federal affordable-housing mandates...
Obama’s proposed financial rules overhaul does absolutely nothing about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, admits Obama’s Treasury Secretary, (tax cheat Timothy Geithner), even though he admits that “Fannie and Freddie were a core part of what went wrong in our system.”...
Worse, Obama’s plan is “largely the product of extensive conversations” with two lawmakers responsible for the corrupt status quo, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, and it expands the reach of regulations that have been used by left-wing groups to extort pay-offs from banks...
Recently, the administration got rid of the inspector general for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, after making Freddie Mac run up $30 billion in losses from the Obama administration’s mortgage bailouts, which bailed out even high-income borrowers who irresponsibly mismanaged their finances. Earlier, Obama fired an inspector general, Gerald Walpin, who uncovered misuse of funds by a prominent Obama backer, smearing the inspector general with allegations that turned out to be false."

Seriously did you get that stuff from the pathological liar Newt Gingrich?
Again, you use slander to try and make a point. My source is not Newt as shown above. With all the lies you put forward on this site, maybe you should be watching your glass house instead of throwing rocks and Newt and others.

-Tax cuts without budget cuts to create debt. You suck at math. Here's a quote from Cheney "If Reagan taught us anything it's that deficits don't matter." Bush was left with a surplus.
Now you might be onto something, but you're only half right. The real problem is spending, not tax cuts. Congress spends too much and Obama, Reid and Pelosi spent tons of money we didn't have on crap we didn't need. This website has a chart that makes the point well:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bus ... -pictures/
You can clearly see that in Bush's term he increased deficit spending in response to the 9/11 attacks (to rebuild our military and intel community) and for the Iraq war (which finished off what the UN and Clinton were to weak to accomplish in the 90s, BTW, we have been performing military actions in Iraq since Operation Desert Storm). Back to the chart: you can see that deficit spending was trending down from 2004-2007 but makes a sharp increase under bush in 2008. The reason for that? Well, Democrats took both houses of Congress in 2006 and the 2008 fiscal year was the first one they created. Now look to the 2009 and beyond...the deficit spending dwarfs anything done by any administration in the history of the nation. The source for Obama's numbers? They are the estimates of the CBO and Obama's very own WH.

-Obama's Auto bail out is a success. He saved our auto industry. We have recovered mosyt of the money.
You define success as recovering only "mosyt" of the money? Do you care to point out what isn't going to be recovered? No of course not. Of the bailout, we will lose $14B. Wow, you have a low bar for success. Here's more about Obama's auto success:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... rich-lowry
Here's the highlights:
"It’s a telling point of pride. In bragging about the bailouts, the administration is boasting of a process shot through with lawlessness and political favoritism, not to mention reckless disregard for taxpayer dollars. Few acts have so powerfully captured Pres. Barack Obama’s corporatism...
On top of the bailout, the government has given GM a special tax break — CNN calls it “a sweetheart deal” — that will save it $14 billion on its U.S. tax bill. The government also is trying to induce consumers to buy GM’s signature new product, the absurdly expensive electric Chevy Volt, by giving them a $7,500 tax credit on its $41,000 sticker price...
Through Chapter 11, GM pared down wages and benefits, shed uneconomical dealerships, and ditched unnecessary brands. This was a classic restructuring. If anything, without government intervention, it would have been more thoroughgoing and effective...
As an exercise in what Zywicki calls “state capitalism,” the bailout was a procedural horror show. It was probably illegal to funnel TARP funds into the companies; they may not have been car companies worthy of the name any longer, but they certainly weren’t “financial institutions.”...
Chrysler’s creditors, who held secured bonds and were guaranteed repayment first, got forced into taking 29 cents on the dollar. In contrast, the United Auto Workers’ pension plan got 40 cents on the dollar. The creditors of both Chrysler and GM were denied their usual right to have a say in the reorganizations...
The government was in a strong position to bully some of these creditors, because they themselves received TARP funds. Once they had their hooks in them, the Obama administration and Congress made the companies to do their bidding, insisting they build politically correct hybrid cars and keep open politically favored dealerships...
Ultimately, the moral stature of capitalism depends on a structure of rules that applies to firms large and small, politically connected and not. By this standard, the auto bailouts fail miserably, and so perfectly distill Obamanomics."

-Defense, there you go with Clinton again. We've been over this before.
You're right, we've been over this before and you lost. I lived through the military under Clinton and now under Obama. Obama is doing more to destroy our national defense than even Clinton did. Period.

Here is the document warning Bush about the threat of Al Qaida and what to do about it. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSA ... 20memo.pdf
What did he do? Went on vacation.

I love this document. Here's a phrase that sticks out like a sore thumb (that you probably ignore):
"At the close of the Clinton Administration, two decisions about Al Qida were deferred to the Bush Administration"
What were the two decisions? 1. should we provide assistance to the Afghan Northern Alliance to help his oppose the Taliban/Al Qida & 2. should we assist Uzbekistan to deal with Al Qida.
Funny, this letter in and of itself proves my position that Clinton was the key failure in dealing with Al Qaeda prior to the 9/11 attacks. They deferred to Bush even though they had 8 years to go after Al Qaeda and 3 opportunities to pick up UBL. Let's not forget that Al Qaeda attacked the twin towers in 1993, US embassies in Africa in 1998, & the USS Cole in 2000.
This document even asks the Bush admin how it wants to respond to the USS Cole attack that happened under Clinton's watch.
You and the liberal talking points are pathetic. You try to blame 9/11 and Al Qaeda on Bush when the threat grew under Clinton's watch for 8 years. It is also known that the planning for 9/11 took 5 years including getting the opperatives trained, dry-runs, etc. Bush was in office for 8 months. Clinton owns the lion's share of the blame for Al Qaeda, period.
BTW, Bush's 'vacations' were set up with a command and control center. He continued to work on all his trips, unlike Obama. However, what would you have liked him to do within his first 8 months to counter Al Qaeda. There truly is only one action that could have possibly prevented the attack and that would be to invade Afghanistan and impose the Patriot Act immediately in an attempt to prevent the terrorists from boarding the planes. However, the latter most likely would not have worked since we didn't have any good intel on Al Qaeda thanks to Clinton's defunding of CIA efforts.

Also here is an the document of the imminent attack using planes. NOT SO MUCH AS A f***ing WARNING TO THE NATION!!! HE WAS HANDED IT WHILE PLAYING GOLF!!!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... A_Memo.JPG
http://articles.cnn.com/2004-04-10/poli ... LLPOLITICS

Another great document that Monday morning quarterbacks can use to falsely lay blame even though they are completely ignorant of facts. Here's what the letter states: UBL wants to attack the US. He attacked our African embassies (under Clinton's watch), he tried to attack us in L.A. in 1999 (under Clinton), and he wanted "to hijack a US aircraft to gain the release of the Blind Shaykh".
Here's what it doesn't say: it doesn't say when the attacks will take place, it doesn't say where the attacks will take place, it certainly doesn't say that they will use a hijacked aircraft as a weapon against towers in NY, the Pentagon or the WH (the intended target of the PA plane).
So your position is that the POTUS is supposed to give a "f***ing WARNING TO THE NATION" based on a threat with no time, or target related to the attack? What a great idea, let's plunge the entire nation into a paranoid state of fear. Truly stupid. If you truly had a clue, you would understand that intelligence reports have to be actionable before you can make preparations to defend the nation.
Lastly, you really want to talk about golf? Obama is at 72 and counting rounds.

-Obama got rid of no bid contracts not contractors.
This statement is a complete falsehood. Yes, Obama promised no more "no bid contracts" over $25K but even politifact states he broke this promise:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... ove-25000/
Thanks again by proving you have no clue.

-Israel? Here's Bush on Israel. Is border scheme was even worse...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W73v4p6 ... 9%EF%BB%BF

Again, this tactic of deflection. You use the childish defense of "he said it too". I don't care who said it, it is the wrong position for Israel and I don't support it. It's funny how you don't try to disprove that Obama is an enemy of Israel, you just try to distract people from the fact. Here's more evidence and facts:
http://www.israelpolicyforum.org/blog/i ... -troubling
Highlights:
President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton have expressed support for the 2002 so-called Arab Peace Initiative...
This Initiative...encompasses Israel's surrender of strategically vital territory by demanding its full withdrawal to the pre-June 1967 armistice lines; the uprooting of up to 500,000 Jews living in Judea and Samaria and eastern Jerusalem; placing Israel's most populous cities in mortar range of terrorists; the creation of a Palestinian state with eastern Jerusalem as its capital; and the Israeli acceptance of the morally and legally baseless so-called 'right of return' by Palestinian Arab refugees of the 1948-49 war and their millions of descendants to Israel, thereby inundating Israel with hostile Arabs and ending its existence as a Jewish state...
In other words, the Obama Administration has embraced a plan that asks Israel to agree to its own eventual destruction before the Arab League will even recognize it. This seven year old plan has been largely dormant, yet the Obama Administration seems intent on reviving it...
Obama's appointment of former senator George Mitchell as Mideast envoy is a further worrying sign that old, failed policies will be re-run. Mitchell authored the April 2001 Mitchell Report that ignores the elephant in the room - Palestinian non-acceptance of Israel's existence as a Jewish state...
Samantha Power, has been appointed to high office in his National Security Council. In 2002, Power called for the ending of all aid to Israel, redirecting it to the Palestinians and creating an American "mammoth protection force" to create a Palestinian state..."
Also, here's "Barack Obama's top 10 insults against Israel:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nileg ... st-israel/
The site provides the details behind each of these:
"1. Obama’s humiliation of Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House
2. Engaging Iran when Tehran threatens a nuclear Holocaust against Israel
3. Drawing a parallel between Jewish suffering in the Holocaust with the current plight of the Palestinians
4. Obama’s attack on Israeli “occupation” in his speech to the United Nations
5. Obama’s accusation that Israel is the cause of instability in the Middle East
6. The Obama administration’s establishment of diplomatic relations with Syria
7. Hillary Clinton’s 43-minute phone call berating Netanyahu
8. David Axelrod’s attack on Israeli settlements on “Meet the Press”
9. Hillary Clinton’s call on Israel to show “respect”
10. Robert Gibbs’ disparaging remarks about Israel"
See, Jrock. You point the finger elsewhere while I provide facts. That is why you are always owned here.

-Britain loves Obama are you kidding me? Margaret Thatcher totally dissed Palin BTW.
Funny, there's a top 10 on Obama's insults towards Britian as well:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nileg ... t-britain/
Again, details provided at the link:
1. Declaration of neutrality over the Falklands
2. Downgrading of the Special Relationship
3. Support for a federal Europe
4. Undermining of British influence in NATO
5. Refusal to recognize Britain’s sacrifice in Afghanistan
6. Throwing Churchill out of the Oval Office
7. Insulting words from the State Department
8. DVDs for the Prime Minister
9. Refusal to meet the Prime Minister in New York
10. Robert Gibbs’ embarrassing attack on the British press
This list doesn't include the Obama administration telling Russia how many Trident missiles Britian has in its arsenal:
http://atlanticsentinel.com/2011/02/us- ... t-numbers/
Or the obvious protocol failure by the first lady when she touched the queen, or when Obama spoke over their national anthem giving a toast. It's also interesting to note that he bowwed to the Saudi King and Japanese Emperor but not the Queen. He isn't even consistent in his incorrect practice of bowwing to other world leaders. Maybe that's because he hates the English.

Your last point is great.
Oh and one more thing! Obama got Osama! Something Bush failed to do.
While Obama gave the order (after 16 hours of "sleeping" on the decision) the servicemembers got UBL. However, you are failing to point out the simple facts behind this operation...the intelligence techniques that were used to track him down. These include water-boarding KSM, harsh interrogation tactics and rendition. These are the very same policies that Obama worked to stop. While Obama does get credit for giving the order (even after dithering once again), he got there through the efforts of servicemembers, CIA interrogators (that his DOJ is now investigating) and the Bush admin's policies in carrying out the Global War on Terror (which has been renamed by Obama as the weak "overseas contingency operations").

Now, on all counts you have been :owned: , Jrock.
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Re: The Problems Obama inheritedbids would n

Postby Jrock » Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:09 am

Wow, you wrote a book. You got me on the broken campaign promise that no bids would be eliminated.
However.
-Bush was warned period. That is a fact. It is also a fact that Bush took the most vacations in Presidential history.
- Also all your sources are conservative.
Heritage
The SF Examiner-
Open Markets.org "Limited government free market" No bias there..
Hans Bader with http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti ... _Institute
Look I know conservatives hate ACORN because they feel they helped Obama get elected. Your sources are incredibly biased and
far from the reality of what happened. There is also the commission report at your local book store if you want to check it out.
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Re: The Problems Obama inherited.

Postby Jrock » Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:50 am

- OBL, Obama said what he would do during his campaign.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYefHfok ... r_embedded

- Oh and here is Sen McCain on OBL. Torture did not lead to him or McCain is lying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po783plX3EU

We still have a good relationship with Israel and Britain. This is all just nit picking Obama. We shouldn't have to kiss Israel's ass. We fund them they should be kissing ours.
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